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  "text": "**Dan Rodandan:** Chinese checkers, hookers, and hecklers. Let's go to town, let's go to Chinatown. Chinatown bus. Forget it, Jack. It's Chinatown. You know what Chinese food always makes me think of? The holidays. Yep, it's the only place that's open on Christmas. So if I'm looking for a free meal, the only dumpsters I'll go behind are Chinese food dumpsters.\n\nSo, uh, we all know what's going on right now. We all know what the number one news story is out there. Uh, we've all been listening to it, we've all been watching it, we know exactly what I'm talking about, of course I am talking about the *Game of Thrones* finale. I mean I've been gone for a long time I have a lot of catching up to do, I don't know uh the *Game of Thrones* finale, I don't even know, um, but I can tell you this, my deviated septum knows the theme song.\n\n[humming Game of Thrones theme]\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Do you hear that? In your head are you thinking... from uh *Game of Thrones*. Winter is coming. Winter is here. Winter is here and with it we all have little sugar plums dancing in our heads thinking about the great red man, the great man up in the North Pole.\n\nOh by the way this is uh acting coach Dan Rodandan teaching actors how to act. That's right, the name of the podcast is *Acting Coach Dan Rodandan Teaching Actors How to Act*, and that's what I'm here to do. Not make nose music. Um, I'm here to uh, you know, make you a better actor and make you a better man. Just like Santa does. Good old Santa. Santa Claus, the Claus man. Mr. K. Mr. Klaus. Sinter Klaus, Sander, Sander Klaus. You know when I think about Santa there's only a couple... you know there's only two, I think there's only two people, two people ever who've who have portrayed Santa Claus in in uh film or television. The one that comes first to everybody's mind is Richard Attenborough from uh *Miracle on 34th Street*. And uh number two, the Santa Claus, the Santa Claus that is uh uh uh uh in my mind the Santa Claus. Uh and that is John Dunsworth of *Trailer Park Boys* fame who I lovingly got to interview uh a few years back and uh the reason I say he's a Santa Claus is because he made a documentary about Santa Con.\n\n[clip from Santa Quest]\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Oh Canada. You may know me as Mr. Lahey. Mr. fucking Lahey! But I'm about to take on one of the toughest jobs of my career. This year, I'm competing at the Santa Winter Games in Sweden. And I'm bringing home the gold for Canada. F.J. Homo Canadiensis! Even if it kills me.\n\n[end of clip]\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah. That makes me feel warm. That makes me feel warm on these cold winter nights thinking about old John Dunsworth and his Santa stuff. Good old Johnny D. John Dunsworth. I miss that guy. What's that guy up to? Let's do a Google. Let's search on the Googs. Let's see what Dr. Goog has to say here.\n\n[typing]\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** John Dunsworth. John Francis Dunsworth. Da da da da. Beloved father, husband and grandfather was known for great ac...\n\n[pauses]\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** While the end of *Trailer Park* season 12 includes a moving dedication and goodbye to series regular John Dunsworth who died in 2017.\n\nI don't... I don't even know where I was most of that year. Wow. Yeah. Wow, yeah, that hurts. Oh. Maybe he reached out to me. Maybe I should have reached out to him. Let me check my emails here. Let me search John Dunsworth in my emails. Did he any any party wisdom. Okay. Let's see. A lot of penis pill ads. A lot of things Pinterest thinks I'd be interested in. *The Great John Dunsworth Show*. *The Great John Dunsworth Show*. That's the title of the email from somebody named Matchism.\n\n\"Dan, I just started listening to your podcast I noticed you interviewed John Dunsworth and had to check it out. It's my favorite episode but it was also my first. And everybody remembers their first. I am a comic actor impersonator improviser from Nova Scotia and took an acting class with John. It was a real treat to hear you play with John over the mic. Where... where are you usually recording from, who cares. Where was your interview with John? I don't know, maybe the most comfortable room in the world, being around that man. Thanks for the show, keep up the great work.\"\n\nSorry to disappoint you Matchism. Sorry to disappoint everyone. Sorry to disappoint John. I need I I I I need to talk to someone right now. I really need somebody to talk to. I'm gonna call this this match I'm gonna call this son of a bitch. He left his number right there at the bottom of the email. Ring ring, ring ring ring, ring ring. Yeah, we're making... we can make calls. The guy was foolish enough to leave a phone number with me.\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Hello?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Hello?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Hi.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Hi! It's me!\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah, who is this, is this Dan?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Dan Rodandan, acting coach Dan Rodandan teaching actors how to act. You emailed me back in January 2015.\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Whoa. Okay.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** John Dunsworth.\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh that was that was that was a real treat.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** And you're the Matchism.\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah, that's that's my name. Matchism.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** So what does that mean?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Well, my first name's Matt and my last name's Chisholm.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Oh, simple as that.\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Mm-hmm.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Okay. Well, um reading your email I finally got around to it, it made me think about John. What was the first thing you ever saw John in?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Oh jeez. I mean it was definitely *Trailer Park Boys*. I think growing up in Nova Scotia, everyone kind of knew at least somebody that was associated or affiliated with *Trailer Park Boys*.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** How many cameras they got in Nova Scotia, what is it like six guys?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Um, um, yeah. But uh yeah how do how do you know John? How how did you...\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** What do you mean how do I know John? You wrote me about how I know John. I interviewed him.\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah. Did you did you know him beforehand or was that like a...\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** No, of course not. I don't know anybody I interview. Would you think Charlie Rose knows everybody he interviews? That's not how professionals do it. So tell me more. Tell me more about John. You took a class with John, is that right?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah, yeah, I took a class. Um...\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Did he teach it? Was he was he also in the class or did he teach the class or what what did that look like?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** I walked into this improv class, it was in the back of a grocery store, and um I I turned the corner and John was just there. You know, Mr. Lahey. He just showed up, so it was like sort of like Michael Jordan walking into a a pickup basketball game in a kindergarten. Yeah, basically, but he spent a lot of the time passing the ball. He was an excellent fellow improviser.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** What what does it take to be a good improviser? What what what characteristics did he show that you you learned from?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Um, he was a very physical actor.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Did he ever hit you?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** No, he was he was very very like loving.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Did you ever patch on the back and say \"Great job\"?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Uh, I mean, if you were playing uh a character with like a limp or a physical quirk. I know what I worked with him, one of the things that uh he said to me was uh \"you watch, you watch a lot of bad actors, they they tend to throw away the last word in their sentences.\"\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** So uh I never do that. I I don't want to waste a word, I want all of those words to explode out of my mouth.\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah. I think that description fit John very well. You know, not wasting a word or a sentence.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** You know any secrets about him? You know any secrets that nobody nobody knows?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Um... believe it or not in 1988, which was the year I was born, John ran in a provincial election in Nova Scotia.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** For what?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** Uh, for a member of the uh legislative assembly in Nova Scotia in Halifax. There's a documentary actually that's on the internet uh called *The Candidate*.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** It's just called *The Candidate*?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** *The Candidate*.\n\n[clip from The Candidate]\n\n**Interviewer:** Did you ever think of running in an election? Was it a serious consideration or a passing fantasy?\n\n**Narrator:** This is a portrait of John Dunsworth's campaign.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** We've always been uh uh part of an authoritarian kind of society. And in a way it's true because people in this community they think um you know they think something that is has virtue because it is. I mean they will vote for someone because that someone has been the premier and he's important. They will uh they will subscribe to a set of rules because it has been the set of rules and so by virtue of its existence it must be good. And they're a little bit afraid of trying something new.\n\nI didn't have either speech written tonight. The winning or the losing speech. I think the winning one would have come easier, so maybe I should make that one.\n\nAll right, I'll make the winning speech. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. It's incredible. Five votes. A win by five is a win. We have a lot of work to do the next four years. I hope...\n\n[end of clip]\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** You think about him every day?\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** I mean it doesn't, you know, in the run of a day, it doesn't you know, he doesn't really pop into my mind. That that time that I met him that uh, I was one of the one of the best days, one of the best days I ever had. And uh he was incredibly kind. And uh you could just tell that there was that there was somebody present there the whole time. And uh that's... You know, you don't see that every day.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** And I would have voted for him. I'd vote for him. I'd I'm gonna write him in. I'm gonna write him in in 2020. John Dunsworth 2020. Dunsworth Chisholm 2020. How how how like do you feel like you're a better person having, you know, had a chance to meet him and...\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** I mean, no nobody can make anybody a better person. That's not how that works.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Psychology is a scam. Parenting is a scam.\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** But yeah, yeah I do think he made me a better person and I don't I don't know how he did it, but but I know I'm worse without him. What's what's fun about talking to John is uh he's so fast. He's so fast with everything and uh he he's if he starts going down one road he's not afraid to abandon it if he comes up with something funnier. And uh it's it's fun to just jump track to track with him. It's sort of like a, you know, an *Indiana Jones* style train fight where you're just jumping from car to car wrestling and tussling and and and having a blast. He showed up one time to our acting class uh with a a wine bottle and just started taking swigs from it. And he never really addressed it or anything like that. He just did it. And then uh I think somebody asked, and then it was like water. He just had a wine bottle filled with he was kind of like playing a game with everybody. It was pretty great.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah, I used to do that on dates. That way that way they would get drunk and I would be totally sober but I could still try to get away with things.\n\n**Matt Chisholm:** I don't know, that that that doesn't seem too great. That sounds a little bit...\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Anyway, great talking to you Matt. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna have to just, let's cut that off, let's cut that off. Let me play the music. I believe... Oh yeah yeah, great to hear from you man. Yeah it's real I'm really busy now, it's raining over here. I wanna I wanna I wanna move from uh talking about a great man onto talking to a great man. And uh sure, you know, some of it's gonna be dated, he's gonna be plugging things that that already came out. And I'm gonna I'm gonna be five years better when you hear this. So listen listen back and and and remember remember the good old days. I hear that warm beautiful voice of John Dunsworth himself, the man, the the beautiful shining star up in the... oh it's times like this I really wish I believed in heaven. Anyway, here's here's the interview.\n\nBut let's just say, uh, I I made it to New York. I made it to New York in somewhat record time. And I made it there because I wanted to interview the most important guest that I have ever had. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, John Dunsworth. Now you may be asking yourself, who's John Dunsworth? Is he is he that guy from that show? No, he's the guy from *Trailer Park Boys*. And he's the guy from that show on Syfy, and that Catholic show from Canada. That's right. It's John Dunsworth. The man who's living the dream. The man you wish your father was. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Dan Rodandan and uh I it's a real treat to have a special guest with me today. I I we just finished up that traveling music and uh I am here with the man, the myth, the legend.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yep. Yep.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** He's already in character, listen to that folks.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** No, I'm trying to do you, Dan.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** You're doing me?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. Well I'll do you.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** All right.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** You can do me, all right doing you. Let's take our clothes off.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** All right. It is an honor, a pleasure, it uh it's it's getting me in the Christmas spirit. He certainly got that Santa vibe going on. Mr. John.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Bless my soul, little Dan, and what would you like for Christmas?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Well I'd like I would like one I would like one night without uh without uh uh horrible nightmares.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** You don't have nightmares.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Oh, I have nightmares every single night.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Do you have a hot shower before you go to bed?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Hot shower, that is that is uh uh sort of a tough question, I do not have a working shower.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Did you tell Santa what do you think about before you fall off to sleep?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Well mostly I I I rather than falling asleep I tend to black out. Uh and I do that by drinking whatever wine that uh bathtub wine that I can concoct in my broken shower. Uh sometimes I don't know if I'm actually drunk or if I'm just very sick with a fever, but uh uh uh certainly the nightmares come, they come every night and it would be wonderful if I could uh...\n\n**John Dunsworth:** What what tell me one specifically one. Do you have a recurring nightmare?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I do in fact. One of the recurring nightmares that I have is that I am uh I am in a room and uh I cannot interact with anything in the room. If I pick up a glass and I try to drink it, the liquid goes to the bottom of the glass. I try to light a match, I can't. And uh the room is full of people who can who can throw things at me and and there's nothing that I can do.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** So, so, do you think this might be analogous to your life, Dan? Do you feel at home in the world or do you feel...?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Feeling at home is is not something that I'm too familiar with. I uh I've never really had what you would call a traditional home. I uh uh uh my father was a he was a special kind of a man and uh uh uh my mother was hit by a bus.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** So this is your father on your eighth birthday took you for the colonic?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** No, my father did not take me for a colonic on the eighth birthday, that was just a garden hose. And uh uh there was not not very professionally done but uh needless to say, I think it worked because uh you've been clean ever since. Clean ever since. So they say.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Do you know it's 11:11 right now on the clock?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh, it's 11:11. Is it 11:11?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Party for a minute! Party for a minute! You know, it's a magic number for me and I realize that when Flight 111 crashed outside my home.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh, with uh 128 lost souls.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And and that's magic. Uh, it it what it's a it's a moment, and it crashed in a spot where a friend of mine took a a picture years ago of a three-masted burning schooner, phoned the Coast Guard and they had no reports of any ships in the area. That but that's where the plane went down. And it started me thinking that maybe this mystical, you know, ghost-like apparitional things, maybe they're future, maybe maybe we pre-member instead of remember.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Now, if you listen to the *Art Bell* show uh at all, I think they call that remote viewing. Is that right?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. Yeah. You sit there quietly and you think about an area and then you can see the future. I guess the CIA and the spies used it during the Cold War.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah. And uh it sounds like you've had your own experiences. You're sort of plugged into them.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Well I I'm an observer of of natural phenomenon. And I'm always trying to make mathematical connections. And like for example I'm saying mathematical connection at the same time another guy might be adding two and two plus four.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah add them together that's eight. Two and two plus four.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. Unless you read 22, that'd be 26 I think. Dan you're you're just so far ahead of me intellectually that I I I'm finding it hard to keep up with you.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Well I may be far ahead of you intellectually but uh spiritually,\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Talent-wise,\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Oh.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Handsomeness...\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Oh my goodness.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Scent? Oh, let me have a little drinky poo.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Please do.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Knock knock.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Who's there?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Juno.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Juno who?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Juno where I can get another little drinky poo?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I do as a matter of fact. I have something here that I would like to show you.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Oh. This is very... Oh, it's a flask.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** It's a flask. Yes it is. And I would like you to read the engraving on this, if you wouldn't mind.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I have one identical. \"I am the liquor.\"\n\nYes I am indeed. Randy said to me he said Mr. Lahey someone could get hurt. And I said wouldn't that be nice. And he says Mr. Lahey is that you talking or the liquor. Randy... I am the liquor.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** And uh it's one of the famous uh moments of uh Jim Lahey's uh existence. Another one that's favorite... When I saw that for the first time I I'm not kidding I burst into tears because I know that exact moment. I know that exact moment. That is a...\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Well, see for me I don't know the moment. It's all dramatic for me. My whole life is kind of an act. I never... listen to him purr.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I don't drink. I can't abide drunks unless they're intelligent drunks and they're on a real good one.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** You're out there hanging out with uh Stephen Dawkins getting drunk talking about uh...\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Dawkins. He dead now ain't he?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Sure. Yeah.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** But you talk to ghosts?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** No I... listen you got the wrong impression. I don't believe in all this mystical shit. All I know is that there's connections in the universe. And if you want to be aware, then you're gonna have synchronistic moments. And all that it means is that you're aware. And all that it really means is, you're in the right place at the right time. That's it. And if you can have those... it's a beautiful way to look at it, being in the right place at the right time. Even if you're in a situation that's not uh uh good for you or something that that doesn't feel right, maybe it is setting you up for something. I I would love to believe that, hope to hope that that's the case. Well some people, it's a Zen kind of thing. Like like I've got a book here, it's a it's *the Way of Zen*. Well that's not the the book this is Alan Watts. Uh you want to read some real good philosophy, contemporary philosophy, he's he used to be a Jesuit, he's dead now.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** In 1950s he was writing and everybody who's written since then has just repeated what he said. And uh...\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Would you mind uh uh giving me a little bit of the thesis of his ideas?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Well it's simply he was a Buddhist as well and and uh um he just says that you have to relax in the in the moment and you have to not be an expert. An expert, Marshall McLuhan said an expert is a person who stays put. But he talked about the wisdom, I think it's called wisdom of doubt or the wisdom of... what's another word for doubt? Another word for doubt. We need another three second pause there so the audience could think.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Oh you're right, so this is sort of a *Dora the Explorer* moment, I apologize. Another word for doubt. Fear?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Dan. No. Doubt is not fear. Like if the angels and God do not know God. Ecclesiasticus 247 1932, then how can we know God? And anyone who professes to know God is a goddamn hypocrite.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Cause the world is paradoxical. What did Socrates say? The only thing that I know is that I don't know.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah. Have you ever read any of that shit?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I sure did. It's so it's a huge book I can't get through. Takes a long time. You can't I don't understand it.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah. It's too convoluted. There's too many words. A lot of weird names, Alcibiades and things of that nature I I do enjoy the sexual aspect of those times but uh uh the philosophy itself can become a little dense.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. I don't whenever I think about that I just think bend over bend over let Lahey come over.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh I would love to do that. Um so you were talking about uh uh Zen and relaxation finding yourself in the right place, now how does that relate to being on stage? Is there is there any way that uh uh finding yourself in a good moment where you don't have to think...\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Okay okay for example uh this whole time I've been on tour uh we started off with a 46 page script.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Right.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Two years ago for the Santa Claus go fuck yourself tour. And starts off with me going out and the audience going crazy I have to say the a minute or two minutes of you know me waiting for them. Ladies and gentlemen can I have your attention please. My name is Officer Jim Lahey of the Sunnyvale Police Department and I am here for the warrant for the warrant for the arrest of Rick the Dick. Which sets up the whole premise. That's all it is. It's I'm the antagonist he's the protagonist. And that's the same thing over and over again. And all I have to do is it just play different gradations gradations of drunkenness. You know sad fucking drunk, you know, to the angry drunk, the guy's really going off... Randy what are you talking about! You're mine Randy! Right? And it's just and you can observe that or you can imagine it or you can make it up. But at the same time that I'm doing that uh I'm also uh involved in a documentary. We just came back from Vienna and Rome and Sweden, North of the Arctic Circle, Gallivare, Sweden, where I competed in the Santa Winter Games.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I heard about that.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** We went to Calgary, I went to Santa School.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I've had trainers and I got to witness uh the most wonderful little phenomenon where Santas from all over the world congregate and compete to be named the best Santa in the world. And what does it take to be the best Santa in the world? Well this year the winner was Santa Banana from Hong Kong.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Santa Banana?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** He won what three years ago and he came back to... How the hell do you know that, Dan?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Well I heard your interview before.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Oh you did ah. Wow well this is amazing because he he to win the porridge eating contest he did not have a mustache.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** That's right because the beard gets caught in your throat, you can't eat it.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah that's one of my nightmares in fact I had a dream that my mustache got so big that I choked to death on it in my sleep. That's look that is a definite possibility. That's why what are these Duck Boys on TV now, they're called Duck Boys?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** The Duck Boys, Huey, Dewey, and Louie.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** *Duck Dynasty*. *Duck Dynasty*. You know what I'm talking about?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Duck dinosaurs.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** No no you know Honey Boo Boo's grandfather with the big beard.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Oh sure sure sure sure. So the real version of *Trailer Park Boys* is what you're saying.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** What was that?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** The real version of the *Trailer Park Boys*...\n\n**John Dunsworth:** No we're talking about choking on your beard, it's better than you know choking on pubic hair, that's all I'm saying.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Well it depends on whose you're choking on I suppose, but I see your point.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Well I'm trying to mix things up because you know radio needs variety. People are quick, people's brains are very quick. And you can take them from the fact that I I'm really sorry Randy. You fucking little, right? You can go through the whole panoply of emotions in a minute. And the audience will follow you the whole way if you just you know dial it in, give them context.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** And this is something that I wanted to talk to you specifically about because I think that uh this particular aspect of acting I think you are a master of.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Oh.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah uh one of the things that I I find is whenever you try to play a character it is important that you be on that character's side. And I think that there's a lot of possibilities or a lot of ways that somebody could play Jim Lahey as a uh uh just a rotten man, but uh the way you do it, there's there's sympathy there. You you fall in love with Lahey. You uh you root for him.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** You know what? One of the first characters I played was Oscar Wilde in university.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And I played him like a hero, 'cause to me he was. I mean he's the father of you know modern morality in a way.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** You know he Marquess of Queensberry you know glove across the face and challenge to a duel and go to court and fight for the rights of homosexuality and land up in jail.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** You know and that whole story was so interesting, it sort of awakened in me uh a knowledge of something outside of my own self which was pretty insulated, you know I was a Catholic boy in the south end rich part of Halifax and gives the opportunity to expand the mind being in another person's shoes.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah. Exactly.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And then the next semester I got to play Shylock in *the Merchant of Venice*.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Right.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Senior Antonio. Many a time and oft in the Rialto you have rated me for my moneys and my usances. Still have I borne it with a patient shrug, for sufferance is the badge of all my tribe. You called me misbeliever, cutthroat dog, and spit upon my Jewish gaberdine in all for the use of that which is mine own. Well what should I say to you? Should I not say, hath a dog money? Is it possible a cur can lend three thousand ducats? Or shall I bend low and in a bondsman's breath and whispering humbleness say this... Fair sir, you spit on me on Wednesday last, you spurned me such a day, and for these courtesies I'll lend you thus much moneys? And I played him sympathetically.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** My god, I am hypnotized.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. I played him sympathetically. But we're talking about characterization and and I was saying that at the same time that I'm playing Jim Lahey uh on stage and being a drunk Santa Claus and being, you know, a real jerk asshole and and the audience yelling fuck you Lahey at the end of the show and and post it every night by Mike Smith who plays Bubbles. At the same time I've been memorizing a script that I start on December 27th at the Neptune Theatre in Halifax.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And I play an old guy.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Okay.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** So my search right now is for the walk, which I think I know where to start. Bow-legged, stooped. Crumple your toes up, right? You know what crumple your toes up?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Where'd you get that? An old uh just an old acquaintance of mine I was I was playing a an elderly person, they said crumple your toes up you're gonna walk slower you're gonna feel it in your joints.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** It's gonna take you it's gonna take you a lot of years into the future. I do that especially when I when I'm uh uh just camping out in front of handicap parking spaces things like that I'm just trying to trying to get ahead.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. Well I heard the crumpled toes in a different context.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Okay.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Whenever you are feeling nervous before a performance\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** just go just say I'm gonna put all of my nerves in in my foot, I'm gonna crumple my toes up, and the other feeling that I have left in me is gonna be called excitement.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Aha.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** So the worry's in my foot, and the excitement's in my heart.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** That's great. Or my mind. Usually I try to get myself in a place where I really really have to shit. And uh so I when I walk out on stage that's the only thing I can think about it really keeps me out of my head. Just trying not to shit myself allows me to uh uh uh be free out there I think.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Dan, you know, one time in my life, as you speak I I find it very evocative and and uh and so many ideas go through my head as you're speaking that uh I want to interject and and then by the time you finished that long interlude that statement, uh they're all gone.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** So now I'm stuck here with no idea in my head because I don't stimulate me at all.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Exactly. Exactly. I they say that I am a conversation killer. Somebody who will take take long unnecessary pauses, searching for words, and I think a lot of that has to do with lack of sleep and the alcoholism.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. But I I what what you made me think about was uh uh it was uh Stanislavski and uh I was playing an old guy with one hand gone and I walked out on stage an opening night I think it was opening night, it was very close to opening night. And I had one of those moments where you see everything too clearly.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Aha.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** It's called something or other. All of you out there will have your own word for it, I'm sure.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Is this when you realize the audience?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** When you realize everything.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** When when the two characters that came out, Lenny and his brother whatever his name was, when they came out to talk to me when I'm sweeping the stage, um I saw them as the characters from Toronto, the two guys I had met a couple weeks earlier.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Right.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I saw them as the characters in the play, and I was aware of the pinging of the one little light off to the side, and on every breath of everybody in the audience.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And I and at that moment, even though my mouth was working and I was doing everything because it was, you know, sort of almost rote in a way, not really rote because I like to make things fresh. But I remember thinking, oh no, this is why people quit.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Ah, yes.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And it went away, and it hasn't come back. But it was it was a more it was a very lucid, lucid moment.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Well you're a little bit outside yourself. And you're you're sort of taking everything in all at once and you're not connected to that moment.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** That outside yourself is a different kind of thing where you, you know, the body floats outside the hospital. Look, he saw that sneaker out there on the ledge. If he look, how could he astral project or whatever?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** If his soul didn't leave his body, how did he know it was an Adidas size 9?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Exactly. I mean there's a there's something on the wing.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Something on the wing. So *Having Hope at Home*. That's the name of the play that I'm going to be doing. And I'm playing a guy maybe 80 years old. And I'm working for a voice right now. And the other day it occurred to me that way back, 40 years ago, I played a guy named John D. Rockefeller. And he was just like a Gabby Hayes kind of guy. And he was wiry and quick. And it seems to me that that would be perfect for this character, it's a comedy.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** But would I be copying if I copied that?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** But you're copying yourself, right?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Well in a way, but you don't want to repeat shit.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I understand that. You say you're copying yourself and I say no, no John Dunsworth, you are not copying yourself, what you're doing is bringing years and years of experience to a style of performing.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. There's no respect for the elderly. There's no no reverence for the wisdom of years.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Of course not. We don't much care for interracial marriage so it's hard to respect them.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** But the thing is is that there's moments where you say, listen I wasn't doing anything, and then the next minute he says you stay away from me. You stay away from me old man. No. Stop touching me. Now I what I have to do is I have to make the voice so that it doesn't grate all the way around. It should have different variety in there, right? Up and down. But here's the thing. Like some of the rules that you learn along the way that you forget in the delivery of your, you know, of your dialogue, is that a lot of bad actors, they end on the downward note. They end on the downward note.\n\nNo, no, no, they end the statement with down. It's down.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Like they throw away the last word?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah, yeah, they do. You listen, you can hear a lot of bad actors that way.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Like they say I love you. Like it is. No no they do. I just heard that right there. Yeah but but it's I love you. Or I love you. You know what I'm saying? Yo yo. But I tell you one thing.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** That got that got pretty ethnic there.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yo I see. You know here's the thing. Uh you take Stephen Hawking for example.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure. Now his voice... That's not a terrific Stephen Hawking impression though I have to say.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah but I'm going there. Okay. Okay. Give me a second here. But I'm just saying that a computer to indicate the end of a statement, will drop the last word. When you look at the universe, you will find that it is a most spectacular thing. And every time he finishes a statement, the statement drops.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** And we are made of star stuff.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I am a robot. I would like to pleasure you.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** In what way do you enjoy pleasure? Pleasure? Is that more or less the kind of thing that you're...\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah you listen, all you have to do is watch a movie.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I do. I've done that. I've seen a few movies.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah well just now be cognizant of the fact that the bad actors are dropping the end of every line.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I will.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Now when I studied theatre, way back in Guelph in 1968.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I found out that well no it was Sir John Neville. Sir John Neville. Sir John Neville. Now you might not have heard of him but you might have. You heard of a guy, what's his name, that old, that movie, you know, what's his name?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh yes I do, you're talking about James Cagney and *Yankee Doodle Dandy*?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** No, it's a word like Busby Berkeley picture from the old days? It's a word like, you know, oh Christ, it'll come to me in a minute when you're gone.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I know what you're talking about. *Captain Munchausen* or whatever.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** *Baron Munchausen*.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** What?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** *Baron Munchausen*.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah, that was John Neville.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** John Neville was in in in the *22 Minutes* thing, he was an old spy. He just died a couple years ago. He was a brilliant man.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I loved *Baron Munchausen*.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. If he if it wasn't for him I probably would have left the theatre because I went and auditioned for him at Neptune in 19 whatever, 70 something, I had started my own theatre and got jaundiced and and I directed that, you know, Theatre Canada and directed and taught at Dalhousie University and and I was doing the thing and trying to make it, and I wasn't quite making it, even though I had vowed that I was always going to be an actor, I I'd I did anything. Voiceovers and everything. And I went and auditioned for him, and he was such a, um, sort of ramrod stiff very, very impressive personality, you know, and very British. And he should have played Alfie in *Alfie* but he lost out to Michael Caine.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Ah.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Who's really incredible. They're both the same vintage. But I auditioned for him, and I left and I went, fuck. Because, uh, Neptune Theatre, which is my hometown theatre, which I had started in 1962.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Right.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And I saw the first plays there, and I never even dreamed of being an actor, ever ever ever ever ever ever. Uh actually Leon Major, who was the first director there, stayed at my family's home for the first season, and and I didn't even dream of it. And but when I went away to school and I took an elective course in drama, and I got sucked into the world of make-believe.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Uh that it was okay, that I was allowed to go there, 'cause I would have always been kind of, anyway, a little bit loose, you know, intellectually. Um so I went and auditioned for John Neville and cock suck.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** You sucked his cock?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** No, and I never have. And I have never had that predilection. But I just tell you one thing. When I left there, I realized that life was a do-it-yourself job. And so I went out and I took a real estate course.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And I started a week late, I talked my way in, and I'd always been a terrible, terrible student all my life. Never able to study, never able to concentrate, stare at a page for an hour.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And I took the course, I finished tied for first in the course.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Congratulations!\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Thank you, Dan. And then I went out and I sold a house for $17,000, which was quite a lot of money.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** But I only got like 3% of that or whatever. Uh what is 3% of 17,000?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** $51. 51 bucks. Something like that. Anyway, I don't know sure what it was. The things I would do for 51 dollars.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I know, I'm telling you. Uh so then I sold a house for $92,000. But at the same time that the house was being sold, John Neville was calling me and asking me if I wanted to be in the play. About a month after my audition.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I walked into the real estate place and I took my little bag and I put it on the table and I said thank you very much.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** *Sophie's Choice*.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And that's what, there's where the, there's, I have a lot to owe to him. And to my first professor at Guelph University, James Murphy, who, who uh without him I would not have been an actor because he uh encouraged me and said hey, you got talent. And that's all I needed to hear in my life, was that I could be appreciated for something. My dad was a psychiatrist.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** He was very old school. He he he's he's still to the day he died uh believed the shock treatment was very valuable in some instances. Uh he was talk therapy.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Uh which has disappeared. And I didn't know very much about his practice 'cause he was very tight-lipped. I mean once he was very depressed for several months and we didn't know why, but we found out years and years and years later one of his patients had committed suicide and it really destroyed him.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Oh wow.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** We found out that he talked a woman off the bridge who was gonna kill herself. We found out years after because this girl named Lorraine came and lived at our house.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And we didn't know that the reason we had ten kids, but she had her own room and everything, we didn't know that she was the girl that was on the bridge that he said he was gonna get her a job and he couldn't get her a job so she moved into our house and the next year she went back and finished her high school.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** My god.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** She was part of the family, but that was the kind of family I was in. He took a gun, a German Luger from a guy who came into the hospital to kill doctors.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Wow.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** So he had a very, and he was so principled and so wonderful. I mean the conversations that we had uh were I always felt uh that I was a big disappointment to him.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Oh that's that's upsetting.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. But, guess what?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** What?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I was so fortunate in my life because the last couple of years of his life we sailed a lot together on St. Margaret's Bay in the Atlantic Ocean. And one day I I used to start, I'd ask him questions, like Dad, did you ever cure anyone? Yeah. And he'd say, not my job. And then a couple minutes later he'd say, my job is to give as good a life as possible to people under the given circumstances. And I connected to that because the given circumstances are exactly what the actor looks for. And that's what if we are actors in real life and leave the stage aside, and we look at the world as possibilities, and what is the what are the given circumstances, and then we use our imagination, and if we can imagine for ourselves a better existence, like I don't need to right now, my life is so full, I have the best year of my life, but if I can use my imagination to say I can go to Oregon and I can chop down trees.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I mean on the way there, or when I arrive there, if I go searching, I'll find something. I might not get what I want, what I thought I was after, but I'm gonna get something.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** So that makes me think, I mean you're saying that this is the best year of your life, it sounds like you've been doing this all this time and these are the rewards, you're reaping the rewards of this kind of thinking, this kind of living. You're at a point where you can actually have all those things and you can't think of a better life because you've worked your way there. Would you say that that's a a fair assessment or is it just really just a change in the way that you look at your life?\n\n**John Dunsworth:** What I want to do with that question is brag about how great my life is.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Please do.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Well yeah, I mean I have such a wonderful family.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And I live in such a wonderful place in Canada and right beside the sea and I build my own house and uh this year I was in three separate series, one of them's been renewed for sure, and then I got to do *Trailer Park Boys* season 9 coming up, we just finished season 8, 10 of the best episodes ever. They're so rich, they move so... I got to direct one.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Fantastic.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. And I did we did *Trailer Park 3* the movie, *Haven* with Syfy network. We did uh season 4, hoping for season 5. I got to do stonework this year. I got to do sailing this year. I got to travel around Canada with Randy Bobandy on tour.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** You have a you have a lot of rewarding hobbies, you have a wonderful family, you have a career that uh uh you get to do drama and comedy that you're excited about. Uh you get to you get to do pretty much whatever the fuck you want.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** You know, I want to talk to you and give you a little bit of advice about your career.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Oh please do, I can take any advice from the master.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Okay, well you you like do you imagine yourself as as a money-earning successful performer in the arts?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I do. I see myself as a Timothy Olyphant type. See there. Somebody somebody who has like a dramatic show and guest stars on sitcoms.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** See here's the thing. When you imagine yourself, you can't imagine yourself with some another some other face. Like if I say, okay, if you can imagine it you can make it happen right. And imagine myself as Dan Rodandan.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I guess.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah, Dan Rodandan doing what?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Timothy Olyphant.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** You can't... See the thing is is that uh someone said hey you playing an old guy in that? Hey guess what, you should go to *On Golden Pond* and check out Henry Fonda. He did a great... he goes like this when he talks like that. Now that can get pretty boring after a while, but in movies you don't have that much dialogue so long lingering ponderous shots you know over the water when the sun is setting and you know.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Looking very intensely off into the distance and you're cut with a bowl of soup because he's hungry.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. Yeah. That that's the one. But the thing is is if you have to do a 90 minute play and you gotta you gotta talk the whole time you don't want to have a voice that you want to have a considered voice but let's just you two old guys that are really communicating but only they know what they're saying okay?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Okay, here we go.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** (makes gibberish old-man noises) Yeah, that's right. (More gibberish) Okay, slow it down a bit, you're too animated, here we go, one more time, we're a hundred years old, okay. (Mumbling gibberish) Alice. Alice. Oh.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** You're looking... four times. Four times, you got it four times, four times.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Okay, so moving right along... my advice to you.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yes.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Dan Rodandan.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Dan Rodandan, acting teacher.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yes. I think that you should expand your horizon.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Okay.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And I think you should go on the World Wide Web visually.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** The internet. Oh, is that what it is? I guess, the World Wide Web. Isn't that the internet? I think so.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** But I think there's an internet under the internet where you can hire hitmen and buy heroin. I'll imagine that is true.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** I noticed that when you speak.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** You do not drop the end of your statements. They all have an electricity. And the thing is is that when you don't drop, but you sort of stop, so that the next statement is almost like conceived at that moment.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Would you impregnate the pause? When you when you when it sounds like that you're finished.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Right.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** But you're not really finished. You got me. Right? Like it's when you say, and I loved you forever so goodbye. And don't forget me. Cause if you do... I'll be upset about that. And I will hold it against you in my heart. It will come up.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yes. In my diary.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** In my diary. Which I write every night.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah you do, you write a diary every night.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Well digitally sort of...\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Well, you know, my advice to you, Dan, is to take a look at what the world really needs, and you know what it is? In a time of hypocrisy, like we are right now. Art flourishes. But for art to be substantially uh supported by an angel or by, you know, crowdsourcing.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** One needs to actually be able to go and touch the clitoris of the of the of the... help me here. Uh of of the art itself, of the actual...\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** No, you have to excite the zeitgeist. You have to lick the zeitgeist's clitoris, is what you have to do. You have to spell the alphabet with your tongue, over and over again.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** No, no, no, no, no. You you listen. Don't disparage this.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I'm not disparaging it. I want you to embrace this.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** That there is an excitement factor in the world.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yes.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** The world gets excited about stupid things too, like Miley Cyrus and all those guys.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Like, you hear those names, Paul Shen, and uh, you know, and the woman with the big lips, you know, that they have to light from the bottom. I mean, she's gorgeous and everything like that. But it's all held up.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** By, by a kind of, um, like a prosthetic. You know, like, like, like a...\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Exactly, and if I can sort of try and tie this metaphor together, what you're saying, all those things, is is the dick that is ramming, ramming our culture with what we have to do is find that, that the clitoris, and massage that, and bring out the things that really matter to bring the people pleasure, instead of just ramming them with our, with our cultural dick over and over again.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Exactly. I mean, I'd like to have a BMW. I'd like to have a BM without blood. The world needs comedy. At this time, and I was saying that it needs to be supported, it needs to find a way to find, you know, the acceptance, but it needs to be it needs to be supported by the people that it's entertaining.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Right.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And the skill to doing that, Dan, the skill to finding how you can be remunerated and how you can exist and be supported by the people that enjoy you, that is the challenge. Finding that niche.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah, that niche, but it's not the niche, it's actually finding... it's it's really amazing because if you put yourself out there it finds you, but you have to imagine it happening. Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Stanislavski, you mentioned him earlier?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I did.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Remember in the bed when... oh sorry. Um... pillow talk, Stanislavski, yeah.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** I thought you were saying something else. Yeah, I was actually saying stick it in me, but uh... but I was interested to hear your thoughts on Stanislavski as well.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thing is, is people say the Method.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** And what is the Method? What do... okay, first of all.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.\n\n**John Dunsworth:** What do people usually attribute to the Method? What do they usually think?\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Oh they say Marlon Brando took his glove off in that scene.\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Ladies and gentlemen, John Dunsworth. The most amazing interview I have ever been a part of. The most incredible comedic actor I think that I have ever seen on television. A true genius, and maybe the best physical comedian working today. Ladies and gentlemen, you have been listening to Dan Rodandan. And John Dunsworth. Thanks for putting up with this bullshit.\n\nWasn't that something? Isn't that man something? Meeting John Dunsworth was one of the highlights, not only of my career, but of my life. He was a truly special human being who filled up the room with you, but still made you feel like he was glad you were there. Like there was a connection. There's a real... he doesn't really... he doesn't fill up the room. He makes the rest of the room disappear.\n\nNow, I remember I said at the beginning of this podcast that I was not here to do nose music, and I was wrong. I'm here to do nose music and this is my 21-gun salute to you, John. This is, of course, the *Trailer Park Boys* theme.\n\n[hums Trailer Park Boys theme]\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** That's the piano. Do you hear the piano? I bet you feel like you were watching the show. I know I do.\n\nAnyway, my email address is 9172148DAN@gmail.com. 9172148DAN@gmail.com. You can send me more emails. Clearly this guy said... what did he... got on the show. Sometimes it's just the way that she goes. Miss you, John. Merry Christmas.\n\n[sings]\n\n**Dan Rodandan:** Beware the sheriff, it'll fly in from outer space, shit on you and carry away to the big shit nest in the sky.",
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    "**Dan Rodandan:** Chinese checkers, hookers, and hecklers. Let's go to town, let's go to Chinatown. Chinatown bus. Forget it, Jack. It's Chinatown. You know what Chinese food always makes me think of? The holidays. Yep, it's the only place that's open on Christmas. So if I'm looking for a free meal, the only dumpsters I'll go behind are Chinese food dumpsters.\n\nSo, uh, we all know what's going on right now. We all know what the number one news story is out there. Uh, we've all been listening to it, we've all been watching it, we know exactly what I'm talking about, of course I am talking about the *Game of Thrones* finale. I mean I've been gone for a long time I have a lot of catching up to do, I don't know uh the *Game of Thrones* finale, I don't even know, um, but I can tell you this, my deviated septum knows the theme song.",
    "[humming Game of Thrones theme]",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Do you hear that? In your head are you thinking... from uh *Game of Thrones*. Winter is coming. Winter is here. Winter is here and with it we all have little sugar plums dancing in our heads thinking about the great red man, the great man up in the North Pole.\n\nOh by the way this is uh acting coach Dan Rodandan teaching actors how to act. That's right, the name of the podcast is *Acting Coach Dan Rodandan Teaching Actors How to Act*, and that's what I'm here to do. Not make nose music. Um, I'm here to uh, you know, make you a better actor and make you a better man. Just like Santa does. Good old Santa. Santa Claus, the Claus man. Mr. K. Mr. Klaus. Sinter Klaus, Sander, Sander Klaus. You know when I think about Santa there's only a couple... you know there's only two, I think there's only two people, two people ever who've who have portrayed Santa Claus in in uh film or television. The one that comes first to everybody's mind is Richard Attenborough from uh *Miracle on 34th Street*. And uh number two, the Santa Claus, the Santa Claus that is uh uh uh uh in my mind the Santa Claus. Uh and that is John Dunsworth of *Trailer Park Boys* fame who I lovingly got to interview uh a few years back and uh the reason I say he's a Santa Claus is because he made a documentary about Santa Con.",
    "[clip from Santa Quest]",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Oh Canada. You may know me as Mr. Lahey. Mr. fucking Lahey! But I'm about to take on one of the toughest jobs of my career. This year, I'm competing at the Santa Winter Games in Sweden. And I'm bringing home the gold for Canada. F.J. Homo Canadiensis! Even if it kills me.",
    "[end of clip]",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah. That makes me feel warm. That makes me feel warm on these cold winter nights thinking about old John Dunsworth and his Santa stuff. Good old Johnny D. John Dunsworth. I miss that guy. What's that guy up to? Let's do a Google. Let's search on the Googs. Let's see what Dr. Goog has to say here.",
    "[typing]",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** John Dunsworth. John Francis Dunsworth. Da da da da. Beloved father, husband and grandfather was known for great ac...",
    "[pauses]",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** While the end of *Trailer Park* season 12 includes a moving dedication and goodbye to series regular John Dunsworth who died in 2017.\n\nI don't... I don't even know where I was most of that year. Wow. Yeah. Wow, yeah, that hurts. Oh. Maybe he reached out to me. Maybe I should have reached out to him. Let me check my emails here. Let me search John Dunsworth in my emails. Did he any any party wisdom. Okay. Let's see. A lot of penis pill ads. A lot of things Pinterest thinks I'd be interested in. *The Great John Dunsworth Show*. *The Great John Dunsworth Show*. That's the title of the email from somebody named Matchism.\n\n\"Dan, I just started listening to your podcast I noticed you interviewed John Dunsworth and had to check it out. It's my favorite episode but it was also my first. And everybody remembers their first. I am a comic actor impersonator improviser from Nova Scotia and took an acting class with John. It was a real treat to hear you play with John over the mic. Where... where are you usually recording from, who cares. Where was your interview with John? I don't know, maybe the most comfortable room in the world, being around that man. Thanks for the show, keep up the great work.\"\n\nSorry to disappoint you Matchism. Sorry to disappoint everyone. Sorry to disappoint John. I need I I I I need to talk to someone right now. I really need somebody to talk to. I'm gonna call this this match I'm gonna call this son of a bitch. He left his number right there at the bottom of the email. Ring ring, ring ring ring, ring ring. Yeah, we're making... we can make calls. The guy was foolish enough to leave a phone number with me.",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Hello?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Hello?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Hi.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Hi! It's me!",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah, who is this, is this Dan?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Dan Rodandan, acting coach Dan Rodandan teaching actors how to act. You emailed me back in January 2015.",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Whoa. Okay.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** John Dunsworth.",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh that was that was that was a real treat.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** And you're the Matchism.",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah, that's that's my name. Matchism.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** So what does that mean?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Well, my first name's Matt and my last name's Chisholm.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Oh, simple as that.",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Mm-hmm.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Okay. Well, um reading your email I finally got around to it, it made me think about John. What was the first thing you ever saw John in?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Oh jeez. I mean it was definitely *Trailer Park Boys*. I think growing up in Nova Scotia, everyone kind of knew at least somebody that was associated or affiliated with *Trailer Park Boys*.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** How many cameras they got in Nova Scotia, what is it like six guys?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Um, um, yeah. But uh yeah how do how do you know John? How how did you...",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** What do you mean how do I know John? You wrote me about how I know John. I interviewed him.",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah. Did you did you know him beforehand or was that like a...",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** No, of course not. I don't know anybody I interview. Would you think Charlie Rose knows everybody he interviews? That's not how professionals do it. So tell me more. Tell me more about John. You took a class with John, is that right?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah, yeah, I took a class. Um...",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Did he teach it? Was he was he also in the class or did he teach the class or what what did that look like?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** I walked into this improv class, it was in the back of a grocery store, and um I I turned the corner and John was just there. You know, Mr. Lahey. He just showed up, so it was like sort of like Michael Jordan walking into a a pickup basketball game in a kindergarten. Yeah, basically, but he spent a lot of the time passing the ball. He was an excellent fellow improviser.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** What what does it take to be a good improviser? What what what characteristics did he show that you you learned from?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Um, he was a very physical actor.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Did he ever hit you?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** No, he was he was very very like loving.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Did you ever patch on the back and say \"Great job\"?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Uh, I mean, if you were playing uh a character with like a limp or a physical quirk. I know what I worked with him, one of the things that uh he said to me was uh \"you watch, you watch a lot of bad actors, they they tend to throw away the last word in their sentences.\"",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** So uh I never do that. I I don't want to waste a word, I want all of those words to explode out of my mouth.",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Yeah. I think that description fit John very well. You know, not wasting a word or a sentence.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** You know any secrets about him? You know any secrets that nobody nobody knows?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Um... believe it or not in 1988, which was the year I was born, John ran in a provincial election in Nova Scotia.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** For what?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** Uh, for a member of the uh legislative assembly in Nova Scotia in Halifax. There's a documentary actually that's on the internet uh called *The Candidate*.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** It's just called *The Candidate*?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** *The Candidate*.",
    "[clip from The Candidate]",
    "**Interviewer:** Did you ever think of running in an election? Was it a serious consideration or a passing fantasy?",
    "**Narrator:** This is a portrait of John Dunsworth's campaign.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** We've always been uh uh part of an authoritarian kind of society. And in a way it's true because people in this community they think um you know they think something that is has virtue because it is. I mean they will vote for someone because that someone has been the premier and he's important. They will uh they will subscribe to a set of rules because it has been the set of rules and so by virtue of its existence it must be good. And they're a little bit afraid of trying something new.\n\nI didn't have either speech written tonight. The winning or the losing speech. I think the winning one would have come easier, so maybe I should make that one.\n\nAll right, I'll make the winning speech. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. It's incredible. Five votes. A win by five is a win. We have a lot of work to do the next four years. I hope...",
    "[end of clip]",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** You think about him every day?",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** I mean it doesn't, you know, in the run of a day, it doesn't you know, he doesn't really pop into my mind. That that time that I met him that uh, I was one of the one of the best days, one of the best days I ever had. And uh he was incredibly kind. And uh you could just tell that there was that there was somebody present there the whole time. And uh that's... You know, you don't see that every day.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** And I would have voted for him. I'd vote for him. I'd I'm gonna write him in. I'm gonna write him in in 2020. John Dunsworth 2020. Dunsworth Chisholm 2020. How how how like do you feel like you're a better person having, you know, had a chance to meet him and...",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** I mean, no nobody can make anybody a better person. That's not how that works.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Psychology is a scam. Parenting is a scam.",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** But yeah, yeah I do think he made me a better person and I don't I don't know how he did it, but but I know I'm worse without him. What's what's fun about talking to John is uh he's so fast. He's so fast with everything and uh he he's if he starts going down one road he's not afraid to abandon it if he comes up with something funnier. And uh it's it's fun to just jump track to track with him. It's sort of like a, you know, an *Indiana Jones* style train fight where you're just jumping from car to car wrestling and tussling and and and having a blast. He showed up one time to our acting class uh with a a wine bottle and just started taking swigs from it. And he never really addressed it or anything like that. He just did it. And then uh I think somebody asked, and then it was like water. He just had a wine bottle filled with he was kind of like playing a game with everybody. It was pretty great.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah, I used to do that on dates. That way that way they would get drunk and I would be totally sober but I could still try to get away with things.",
    "**Matt Chisholm:** I don't know, that that that doesn't seem too great. That sounds a little bit...",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Anyway, great talking to you Matt. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna have to just, let's cut that off, let's cut that off. Let me play the music. I believe... Oh yeah yeah, great to hear from you man. Yeah it's real I'm really busy now, it's raining over here. I wanna I wanna I wanna move from uh talking about a great man onto talking to a great man. And uh sure, you know, some of it's gonna be dated, he's gonna be plugging things that that already came out. And I'm gonna I'm gonna be five years better when you hear this. So listen listen back and and and remember remember the good old days. I hear that warm beautiful voice of John Dunsworth himself, the man, the the beautiful shining star up in the... oh it's times like this I really wish I believed in heaven. Anyway, here's here's the interview.\n\nBut let's just say, uh, I I made it to New York. I made it to New York in somewhat record time. And I made it there because I wanted to interview the most important guest that I have ever had. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, John Dunsworth. Now you may be asking yourself, who's John Dunsworth? Is he is he that guy from that show? No, he's the guy from *Trailer Park Boys*. And he's the guy from that show on Syfy, and that Catholic show from Canada. That's right. It's John Dunsworth. The man who's living the dream. The man you wish your father was. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Dan Rodandan and uh I it's a real treat to have a special guest with me today. I I we just finished up that traveling music and uh I am here with the man, the myth, the legend.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yep. Yep.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** He's already in character, listen to that folks.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** No, I'm trying to do you, Dan.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** You're doing me?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. Well I'll do you.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** All right.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** You can do me, all right doing you. Let's take our clothes off.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** All right. It is an honor, a pleasure, it uh it's it's getting me in the Christmas spirit. He certainly got that Santa vibe going on. Mr. John.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Bless my soul, little Dan, and what would you like for Christmas?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Well I'd like I would like one I would like one night without uh without uh uh horrible nightmares.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** You don't have nightmares.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Oh, I have nightmares every single night.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Do you have a hot shower before you go to bed?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Hot shower, that is that is uh uh sort of a tough question, I do not have a working shower.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Did you tell Santa what do you think about before you fall off to sleep?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Well mostly I I I rather than falling asleep I tend to black out. Uh and I do that by drinking whatever wine that uh bathtub wine that I can concoct in my broken shower. Uh sometimes I don't know if I'm actually drunk or if I'm just very sick with a fever, but uh uh uh certainly the nightmares come, they come every night and it would be wonderful if I could uh...",
    "**John Dunsworth:** What what tell me one specifically one. Do you have a recurring nightmare?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I do in fact. One of the recurring nightmares that I have is that I am uh I am in a room and uh I cannot interact with anything in the room. If I pick up a glass and I try to drink it, the liquid goes to the bottom of the glass. I try to light a match, I can't. And uh the room is full of people who can who can throw things at me and and there's nothing that I can do.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** So, so, do you think this might be analogous to your life, Dan? Do you feel at home in the world or do you feel...?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Feeling at home is is not something that I'm too familiar with. I uh I've never really had what you would call a traditional home. I uh uh uh my father was a he was a special kind of a man and uh uh uh my mother was hit by a bus.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** So this is your father on your eighth birthday took you for the colonic?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** No, my father did not take me for a colonic on the eighth birthday, that was just a garden hose. And uh uh there was not not very professionally done but uh needless to say, I think it worked because uh you've been clean ever since. Clean ever since. So they say.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Do you know it's 11:11 right now on the clock?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh, it's 11:11. Is it 11:11?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Party for a minute! Party for a minute! You know, it's a magic number for me and I realize that when Flight 111 crashed outside my home.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh, with uh 128 lost souls.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And and that's magic. Uh, it it what it's a it's a moment, and it crashed in a spot where a friend of mine took a a picture years ago of a three-masted burning schooner, phoned the Coast Guard and they had no reports of any ships in the area. That but that's where the plane went down. And it started me thinking that maybe this mystical, you know, ghost-like apparitional things, maybe they're future, maybe maybe we pre-member instead of remember.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Now, if you listen to the *Art Bell* show uh at all, I think they call that remote viewing. Is that right?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. Yeah. You sit there quietly and you think about an area and then you can see the future. I guess the CIA and the spies used it during the Cold War.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah. And uh it sounds like you've had your own experiences. You're sort of plugged into them.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Well I I'm an observer of of natural phenomenon. And I'm always trying to make mathematical connections. And like for example I'm saying mathematical connection at the same time another guy might be adding two and two plus four.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah add them together that's eight. Two and two plus four.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. Unless you read 22, that'd be 26 I think. Dan you're you're just so far ahead of me intellectually that I I I'm finding it hard to keep up with you.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Well I may be far ahead of you intellectually but uh spiritually,",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Talent-wise,",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Oh.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Handsomeness...",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Oh my goodness.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Scent? Oh, let me have a little drinky poo.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Please do.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Knock knock.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Who's there?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Juno.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Juno who?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Juno where I can get another little drinky poo?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I do as a matter of fact. I have something here that I would like to show you.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Oh. This is very... Oh, it's a flask.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** It's a flask. Yes it is. And I would like you to read the engraving on this, if you wouldn't mind.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I have one identical. \"I am the liquor.\"\n\nYes I am indeed. Randy said to me he said Mr. Lahey someone could get hurt. And I said wouldn't that be nice. And he says Mr. Lahey is that you talking or the liquor. Randy... I am the liquor.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** And uh it's one of the famous uh moments of uh Jim Lahey's uh existence. Another one that's favorite... When I saw that for the first time I I'm not kidding I burst into tears because I know that exact moment. I know that exact moment. That is a...",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Well, see for me I don't know the moment. It's all dramatic for me. My whole life is kind of an act. I never... listen to him purr.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I don't drink. I can't abide drunks unless they're intelligent drunks and they're on a real good one.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** You're out there hanging out with uh Stephen Dawkins getting drunk talking about uh...",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Dawkins. He dead now ain't he?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Sure. Yeah.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** But you talk to ghosts?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** No I... listen you got the wrong impression. I don't believe in all this mystical shit. All I know is that there's connections in the universe. And if you want to be aware, then you're gonna have synchronistic moments. And all that it means is that you're aware. And all that it really means is, you're in the right place at the right time. That's it. And if you can have those... it's a beautiful way to look at it, being in the right place at the right time. Even if you're in a situation that's not uh uh good for you or something that that doesn't feel right, maybe it is setting you up for something. I I would love to believe that, hope to hope that that's the case. Well some people, it's a Zen kind of thing. Like like I've got a book here, it's a it's *the Way of Zen*. Well that's not the the book this is Alan Watts. Uh you want to read some real good philosophy, contemporary philosophy, he's he used to be a Jesuit, he's dead now.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** In 1950s he was writing and everybody who's written since then has just repeated what he said. And uh...",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Would you mind uh uh giving me a little bit of the thesis of his ideas?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Well it's simply he was a Buddhist as well and and uh um he just says that you have to relax in the in the moment and you have to not be an expert. An expert, Marshall McLuhan said an expert is a person who stays put. But he talked about the wisdom, I think it's called wisdom of doubt or the wisdom of... what's another word for doubt? Another word for doubt. We need another three second pause there so the audience could think.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Oh you're right, so this is sort of a *Dora the Explorer* moment, I apologize. Another word for doubt. Fear?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Dan. No. Doubt is not fear. Like if the angels and God do not know God. Ecclesiasticus 247 1932, then how can we know God? And anyone who professes to know God is a goddamn hypocrite.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Cause the world is paradoxical. What did Socrates say? The only thing that I know is that I don't know.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah. Have you ever read any of that shit?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I sure did. It's so it's a huge book I can't get through. Takes a long time. You can't I don't understand it.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah. It's too convoluted. There's too many words. A lot of weird names, Alcibiades and things of that nature I I do enjoy the sexual aspect of those times but uh uh the philosophy itself can become a little dense.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. I don't whenever I think about that I just think bend over bend over let Lahey come over.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh I would love to do that. Um so you were talking about uh uh Zen and relaxation finding yourself in the right place, now how does that relate to being on stage? Is there is there any way that uh uh finding yourself in a good moment where you don't have to think...",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Okay okay for example uh this whole time I've been on tour uh we started off with a 46 page script.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Right.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Two years ago for the Santa Claus go fuck yourself tour. And starts off with me going out and the audience going crazy I have to say the a minute or two minutes of you know me waiting for them. Ladies and gentlemen can I have your attention please. My name is Officer Jim Lahey of the Sunnyvale Police Department and I am here for the warrant for the warrant for the arrest of Rick the Dick. Which sets up the whole premise. That's all it is. It's I'm the antagonist he's the protagonist. And that's the same thing over and over again. And all I have to do is it just play different gradations gradations of drunkenness. You know sad fucking drunk, you know, to the angry drunk, the guy's really going off... Randy what are you talking about! You're mine Randy! Right? And it's just and you can observe that or you can imagine it or you can make it up. But at the same time that I'm doing that uh I'm also uh involved in a documentary. We just came back from Vienna and Rome and Sweden, North of the Arctic Circle, Gallivare, Sweden, where I competed in the Santa Winter Games.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I heard about that.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** We went to Calgary, I went to Santa School.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I've had trainers and I got to witness uh the most wonderful little phenomenon where Santas from all over the world congregate and compete to be named the best Santa in the world. And what does it take to be the best Santa in the world? Well this year the winner was Santa Banana from Hong Kong.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Santa Banana?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** He won what three years ago and he came back to... How the hell do you know that, Dan?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Well I heard your interview before.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Oh you did ah. Wow well this is amazing because he he to win the porridge eating contest he did not have a mustache.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** That's right because the beard gets caught in your throat, you can't eat it.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah that's one of my nightmares in fact I had a dream that my mustache got so big that I choked to death on it in my sleep. That's look that is a definite possibility. That's why what are these Duck Boys on TV now, they're called Duck Boys?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** The Duck Boys, Huey, Dewey, and Louie.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** *Duck Dynasty*. *Duck Dynasty*. You know what I'm talking about?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Duck dinosaurs.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** No no you know Honey Boo Boo's grandfather with the big beard.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Oh sure sure sure sure. So the real version of *Trailer Park Boys* is what you're saying.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** What was that?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** The real version of the *Trailer Park Boys*...",
    "**John Dunsworth:** No we're talking about choking on your beard, it's better than you know choking on pubic hair, that's all I'm saying.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Well it depends on whose you're choking on I suppose, but I see your point.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Well I'm trying to mix things up because you know radio needs variety. People are quick, people's brains are very quick. And you can take them from the fact that I I'm really sorry Randy. You fucking little, right? You can go through the whole panoply of emotions in a minute. And the audience will follow you the whole way if you just you know dial it in, give them context.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** And this is something that I wanted to talk to you specifically about because I think that uh this particular aspect of acting I think you are a master of.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Oh.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah uh one of the things that I I find is whenever you try to play a character it is important that you be on that character's side. And I think that there's a lot of possibilities or a lot of ways that somebody could play Jim Lahey as a uh uh just a rotten man, but uh the way you do it, there's there's sympathy there. You you fall in love with Lahey. You uh you root for him.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** You know what? One of the first characters I played was Oscar Wilde in university.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And I played him like a hero, 'cause to me he was. I mean he's the father of you know modern morality in a way.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** You know he Marquess of Queensberry you know glove across the face and challenge to a duel and go to court and fight for the rights of homosexuality and land up in jail.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** You know and that whole story was so interesting, it sort of awakened in me uh a knowledge of something outside of my own self which was pretty insulated, you know I was a Catholic boy in the south end rich part of Halifax and gives the opportunity to expand the mind being in another person's shoes.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah. Exactly.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And then the next semester I got to play Shylock in *the Merchant of Venice*.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Right.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Senior Antonio. Many a time and oft in the Rialto you have rated me for my moneys and my usances. Still have I borne it with a patient shrug, for sufferance is the badge of all my tribe. You called me misbeliever, cutthroat dog, and spit upon my Jewish gaberdine in all for the use of that which is mine own. Well what should I say to you? Should I not say, hath a dog money? Is it possible a cur can lend three thousand ducats? Or shall I bend low and in a bondsman's breath and whispering humbleness say this... Fair sir, you spit on me on Wednesday last, you spurned me such a day, and for these courtesies I'll lend you thus much moneys? And I played him sympathetically.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** My god, I am hypnotized.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. I played him sympathetically. But we're talking about characterization and and I was saying that at the same time that I'm playing Jim Lahey uh on stage and being a drunk Santa Claus and being, you know, a real jerk asshole and and the audience yelling fuck you Lahey at the end of the show and and post it every night by Mike Smith who plays Bubbles. At the same time I've been memorizing a script that I start on December 27th at the Neptune Theatre in Halifax.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And I play an old guy.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Okay.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** So my search right now is for the walk, which I think I know where to start. Bow-legged, stooped. Crumple your toes up, right? You know what crumple your toes up?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Where'd you get that? An old uh just an old acquaintance of mine I was I was playing a an elderly person, they said crumple your toes up you're gonna walk slower you're gonna feel it in your joints.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** It's gonna take you it's gonna take you a lot of years into the future. I do that especially when I when I'm uh uh just camping out in front of handicap parking spaces things like that I'm just trying to trying to get ahead.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. Well I heard the crumpled toes in a different context.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Okay.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Whenever you are feeling nervous before a performance",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** just go just say I'm gonna put all of my nerves in in my foot, I'm gonna crumple my toes up, and the other feeling that I have left in me is gonna be called excitement.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Aha.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** So the worry's in my foot, and the excitement's in my heart.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** That's great. Or my mind. Usually I try to get myself in a place where I really really have to shit. And uh so I when I walk out on stage that's the only thing I can think about it really keeps me out of my head. Just trying not to shit myself allows me to uh uh uh be free out there I think.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Dan, you know, one time in my life, as you speak I I find it very evocative and and uh and so many ideas go through my head as you're speaking that uh I want to interject and and then by the time you finished that long interlude that statement, uh they're all gone.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** So now I'm stuck here with no idea in my head because I don't stimulate me at all.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Exactly. Exactly. I they say that I am a conversation killer. Somebody who will take take long unnecessary pauses, searching for words, and I think a lot of that has to do with lack of sleep and the alcoholism.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. But I I what what you made me think about was uh uh it was uh Stanislavski and uh I was playing an old guy with one hand gone and I walked out on stage an opening night I think it was opening night, it was very close to opening night. And I had one of those moments where you see everything too clearly.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Aha.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** It's called something or other. All of you out there will have your own word for it, I'm sure.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Is this when you realize the audience?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** When you realize everything.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** When when the two characters that came out, Lenny and his brother whatever his name was, when they came out to talk to me when I'm sweeping the stage, um I saw them as the characters from Toronto, the two guys I had met a couple weeks earlier.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Right.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I saw them as the characters in the play, and I was aware of the pinging of the one little light off to the side, and on every breath of everybody in the audience.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And I and at that moment, even though my mouth was working and I was doing everything because it was, you know, sort of almost rote in a way, not really rote because I like to make things fresh. But I remember thinking, oh no, this is why people quit.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Ah, yes.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And it went away, and it hasn't come back. But it was it was a more it was a very lucid, lucid moment.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Well you're a little bit outside yourself. And you're you're sort of taking everything in all at once and you're not connected to that moment.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** That outside yourself is a different kind of thing where you, you know, the body floats outside the hospital. Look, he saw that sneaker out there on the ledge. If he look, how could he astral project or whatever?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** If his soul didn't leave his body, how did he know it was an Adidas size 9?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Exactly. I mean there's a there's something on the wing.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Something on the wing. So *Having Hope at Home*. That's the name of the play that I'm going to be doing. And I'm playing a guy maybe 80 years old. And I'm working for a voice right now. And the other day it occurred to me that way back, 40 years ago, I played a guy named John D. Rockefeller. And he was just like a Gabby Hayes kind of guy. And he was wiry and quick. And it seems to me that that would be perfect for this character, it's a comedy.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** But would I be copying if I copied that?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** But you're copying yourself, right?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Well in a way, but you don't want to repeat shit.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I understand that. You say you're copying yourself and I say no, no John Dunsworth, you are not copying yourself, what you're doing is bringing years and years of experience to a style of performing.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. There's no respect for the elderly. There's no no reverence for the wisdom of years.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Of course not. We don't much care for interracial marriage so it's hard to respect them.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** But the thing is is that there's moments where you say, listen I wasn't doing anything, and then the next minute he says you stay away from me. You stay away from me old man. No. Stop touching me. Now I what I have to do is I have to make the voice so that it doesn't grate all the way around. It should have different variety in there, right? Up and down. But here's the thing. Like some of the rules that you learn along the way that you forget in the delivery of your, you know, of your dialogue, is that a lot of bad actors, they end on the downward note. They end on the downward note.\n\nNo, no, no, they end the statement with down. It's down.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Like they throw away the last word?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah, yeah, they do. You listen, you can hear a lot of bad actors that way.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Like they say I love you. Like it is. No no they do. I just heard that right there. Yeah but but it's I love you. Or I love you. You know what I'm saying? Yo yo. But I tell you one thing.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** That got that got pretty ethnic there.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yo I see. You know here's the thing. Uh you take Stephen Hawking for example.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure. Now his voice... That's not a terrific Stephen Hawking impression though I have to say.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah but I'm going there. Okay. Okay. Give me a second here. But I'm just saying that a computer to indicate the end of a statement, will drop the last word. When you look at the universe, you will find that it is a most spectacular thing. And every time he finishes a statement, the statement drops.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** And we are made of star stuff.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I am a robot. I would like to pleasure you.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** In what way do you enjoy pleasure? Pleasure? Is that more or less the kind of thing that you're...",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah you listen, all you have to do is watch a movie.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I do. I've done that. I've seen a few movies.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah well just now be cognizant of the fact that the bad actors are dropping the end of every line.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I will.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Now when I studied theatre, way back in Guelph in 1968.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I found out that well no it was Sir John Neville. Sir John Neville. Sir John Neville. Now you might not have heard of him but you might have. You heard of a guy, what's his name, that old, that movie, you know, what's his name?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh yes I do, you're talking about James Cagney and *Yankee Doodle Dandy*?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** No, it's a word like Busby Berkeley picture from the old days? It's a word like, you know, oh Christ, it'll come to me in a minute when you're gone.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I know what you're talking about. *Captain Munchausen* or whatever.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** *Baron Munchausen*.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** What?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** *Baron Munchausen*.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah, that was John Neville.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** John Neville was in in in the *22 Minutes* thing, he was an old spy. He just died a couple years ago. He was a brilliant man.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I loved *Baron Munchausen*.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. If he if it wasn't for him I probably would have left the theatre because I went and auditioned for him at Neptune in 19 whatever, 70 something, I had started my own theatre and got jaundiced and and I directed that, you know, Theatre Canada and directed and taught at Dalhousie University and and I was doing the thing and trying to make it, and I wasn't quite making it, even though I had vowed that I was always going to be an actor, I I'd I did anything. Voiceovers and everything. And I went and auditioned for him, and he was such a, um, sort of ramrod stiff very, very impressive personality, you know, and very British. And he should have played Alfie in *Alfie* but he lost out to Michael Caine.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Ah.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Who's really incredible. They're both the same vintage. But I auditioned for him, and I left and I went, fuck. Because, uh, Neptune Theatre, which is my hometown theatre, which I had started in 1962.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Right.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And I saw the first plays there, and I never even dreamed of being an actor, ever ever ever ever ever ever. Uh actually Leon Major, who was the first director there, stayed at my family's home for the first season, and and I didn't even dream of it. And but when I went away to school and I took an elective course in drama, and I got sucked into the world of make-believe.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Uh that it was okay, that I was allowed to go there, 'cause I would have always been kind of, anyway, a little bit loose, you know, intellectually. Um so I went and auditioned for John Neville and cock suck.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** You sucked his cock?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** No, and I never have. And I have never had that predilection. But I just tell you one thing. When I left there, I realized that life was a do-it-yourself job. And so I went out and I took a real estate course.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And I started a week late, I talked my way in, and I'd always been a terrible, terrible student all my life. Never able to study, never able to concentrate, stare at a page for an hour.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And I took the course, I finished tied for first in the course.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Congratulations!",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Thank you, Dan. And then I went out and I sold a house for $17,000, which was quite a lot of money.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** But I only got like 3% of that or whatever. Uh what is 3% of 17,000?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** $51. 51 bucks. Something like that. Anyway, I don't know sure what it was. The things I would do for 51 dollars.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I know, I'm telling you. Uh so then I sold a house for $92,000. But at the same time that the house was being sold, John Neville was calling me and asking me if I wanted to be in the play. About a month after my audition.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I walked into the real estate place and I took my little bag and I put it on the table and I said thank you very much.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** *Sophie's Choice*.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And that's what, there's where the, there's, I have a lot to owe to him. And to my first professor at Guelph University, James Murphy, who, who uh without him I would not have been an actor because he uh encouraged me and said hey, you got talent. And that's all I needed to hear in my life, was that I could be appreciated for something. My dad was a psychiatrist.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** He was very old school. He he he's he's still to the day he died uh believed the shock treatment was very valuable in some instances. Uh he was talk therapy.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Uh which has disappeared. And I didn't know very much about his practice 'cause he was very tight-lipped. I mean once he was very depressed for several months and we didn't know why, but we found out years and years and years later one of his patients had committed suicide and it really destroyed him.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Oh wow.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** We found out that he talked a woman off the bridge who was gonna kill herself. We found out years after because this girl named Lorraine came and lived at our house.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And we didn't know that the reason we had ten kids, but she had her own room and everything, we didn't know that she was the girl that was on the bridge that he said he was gonna get her a job and he couldn't get her a job so she moved into our house and the next year she went back and finished her high school.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** My god.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** She was part of the family, but that was the kind of family I was in. He took a gun, a German Luger from a guy who came into the hospital to kill doctors.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Wow.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** So he had a very, and he was so principled and so wonderful. I mean the conversations that we had uh were I always felt uh that I was a big disappointment to him.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Oh that's that's upsetting.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. But, guess what?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** What?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I was so fortunate in my life because the last couple of years of his life we sailed a lot together on St. Margaret's Bay in the Atlantic Ocean. And one day I I used to start, I'd ask him questions, like Dad, did you ever cure anyone? Yeah. And he'd say, not my job. And then a couple minutes later he'd say, my job is to give as good a life as possible to people under the given circumstances. And I connected to that because the given circumstances are exactly what the actor looks for. And that's what if we are actors in real life and leave the stage aside, and we look at the world as possibilities, and what is the what are the given circumstances, and then we use our imagination, and if we can imagine for ourselves a better existence, like I don't need to right now, my life is so full, I have the best year of my life, but if I can use my imagination to say I can go to Oregon and I can chop down trees.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Sure.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I mean on the way there, or when I arrive there, if I go searching, I'll find something. I might not get what I want, what I thought I was after, but I'm gonna get something.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** So that makes me think, I mean you're saying that this is the best year of your life, it sounds like you've been doing this all this time and these are the rewards, you're reaping the rewards of this kind of thinking, this kind of living. You're at a point where you can actually have all those things and you can't think of a better life because you've worked your way there. Would you say that that's a a fair assessment or is it just really just a change in the way that you look at your life?",
    "**John Dunsworth:** What I want to do with that question is brag about how great my life is.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Please do.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Well yeah, I mean I have such a wonderful family.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And I live in such a wonderful place in Canada and right beside the sea and I build my own house and uh this year I was in three separate series, one of them's been renewed for sure, and then I got to do *Trailer Park Boys* season 9 coming up, we just finished season 8, 10 of the best episodes ever. They're so rich, they move so... I got to direct one.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Fantastic.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. And I did we did *Trailer Park 3* the movie, *Haven* with Syfy network. We did uh season 4, hoping for season 5. I got to do stonework this year. I got to do sailing this year. I got to travel around Canada with Randy Bobandy on tour.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** You have a you have a lot of rewarding hobbies, you have a wonderful family, you have a career that uh uh you get to do drama and comedy that you're excited about. Uh you get to you get to do pretty much whatever the fuck you want.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** You know, I want to talk to you and give you a little bit of advice about your career.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Oh please do, I can take any advice from the master.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Okay, well you you like do you imagine yourself as as a money-earning successful performer in the arts?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I do. I see myself as a Timothy Olyphant type. See there. Somebody somebody who has like a dramatic show and guest stars on sitcoms.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** See here's the thing. When you imagine yourself, you can't imagine yourself with some another some other face. Like if I say, okay, if you can imagine it you can make it happen right. And imagine myself as Dan Rodandan.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I guess.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah, Dan Rodandan doing what?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Timothy Olyphant.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** You can't... See the thing is is that uh someone said hey you playing an old guy in that? Hey guess what, you should go to *On Golden Pond* and check out Henry Fonda. He did a great... he goes like this when he talks like that. Now that can get pretty boring after a while, but in movies you don't have that much dialogue so long lingering ponderous shots you know over the water when the sun is setting and you know.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Looking very intensely off into the distance and you're cut with a bowl of soup because he's hungry.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah. Yeah. That that's the one. But the thing is is if you have to do a 90 minute play and you gotta you gotta talk the whole time you don't want to have a voice that you want to have a considered voice but let's just you two old guys that are really communicating but only they know what they're saying okay?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Okay, here we go.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** (makes gibberish old-man noises) Yeah, that's right. (More gibberish) Okay, slow it down a bit, you're too animated, here we go, one more time, we're a hundred years old, okay. (Mumbling gibberish) Alice. Alice. Oh.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** You're looking... four times. Four times, you got it four times, four times.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Okay, so moving right along... my advice to you.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yes.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Dan Rodandan.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Dan Rodandan, acting teacher.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yes. I think that you should expand your horizon.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Okay.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And I think you should go on the World Wide Web visually.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** The internet. Oh, is that what it is? I guess, the World Wide Web. Isn't that the internet? I think so.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** But I think there's an internet under the internet where you can hire hitmen and buy heroin. I'll imagine that is true.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** I noticed that when you speak.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** You do not drop the end of your statements. They all have an electricity. And the thing is is that when you don't drop, but you sort of stop, so that the next statement is almost like conceived at that moment.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Would you impregnate the pause? When you when you when it sounds like that you're finished.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Right.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** But you're not really finished. You got me. Right? Like it's when you say, and I loved you forever so goodbye. And don't forget me. Cause if you do... I'll be upset about that. And I will hold it against you in my heart. It will come up.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yes. In my diary.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** In my diary. Which I write every night.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah you do, you write a diary every night.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Well digitally sort of...",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Well, you know, my advice to you, Dan, is to take a look at what the world really needs, and you know what it is? In a time of hypocrisy, like we are right now. Art flourishes. But for art to be substantially uh supported by an angel or by, you know, crowdsourcing.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** One needs to actually be able to go and touch the clitoris of the of the of the... help me here. Uh of of the art itself, of the actual...",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** No, you have to excite the zeitgeist. You have to lick the zeitgeist's clitoris, is what you have to do. You have to spell the alphabet with your tongue, over and over again.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** No, no, no, no, no. You you listen. Don't disparage this.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I'm not disparaging it. I want you to embrace this.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** That there is an excitement factor in the world.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yes.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** The world gets excited about stupid things too, like Miley Cyrus and all those guys.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Like, you hear those names, Paul Shen, and uh, you know, and the woman with the big lips, you know, that they have to light from the bottom. I mean, she's gorgeous and everything like that. But it's all held up.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** By, by a kind of, um, like a prosthetic. You know, like, like, like a...",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Exactly, and if I can sort of try and tie this metaphor together, what you're saying, all those things, is is the dick that is ramming, ramming our culture with what we have to do is find that, that the clitoris, and massage that, and bring out the things that really matter to bring the people pleasure, instead of just ramming them with our, with our cultural dick over and over again.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Exactly. I mean, I'd like to have a BMW. I'd like to have a BM without blood. The world needs comedy. At this time, and I was saying that it needs to be supported, it needs to find a way to find, you know, the acceptance, but it needs to be it needs to be supported by the people that it's entertaining.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Right.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And the skill to doing that, Dan, the skill to finding how you can be remunerated and how you can exist and be supported by the people that enjoy you, that is the challenge. Finding that niche.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Yeah, that niche, but it's not the niche, it's actually finding... it's it's really amazing because if you put yourself out there it finds you, but you have to imagine it happening. Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Stanislavski, you mentioned him earlier?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I did.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Remember in the bed when... oh sorry. Um... pillow talk, Stanislavski, yeah.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** I thought you were saying something else. Yeah, I was actually saying stick it in me, but uh... but I was interested to hear your thoughts on Stanislavski as well.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thing is, is people say the Method.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** And what is the Method? What do... okay, first of all.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Uh-huh.",
    "**John Dunsworth:** What do people usually attribute to the Method? What do they usually think?",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Oh they say Marlon Brando took his glove off in that scene.",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Ladies and gentlemen, John Dunsworth. The most amazing interview I have ever been a part of. The most incredible comedic actor I think that I have ever seen on television. A true genius, and maybe the best physical comedian working today. Ladies and gentlemen, you have been listening to Dan Rodandan. And John Dunsworth. Thanks for putting up with this bullshit.\n\nWasn't that something? Isn't that man something? Meeting John Dunsworth was one of the highlights, not only of my career, but of my life. He was a truly special human being who filled up the room with you, but still made you feel like he was glad you were there. Like there was a connection. There's a real... he doesn't really... he doesn't fill up the room. He makes the rest of the room disappear.\n\nNow, I remember I said at the beginning of this podcast that I was not here to do nose music, and I was wrong. I'm here to do nose music and this is my 21-gun salute to you, John. This is, of course, the *Trailer Park Boys* theme.",
    "[hums Trailer Park Boys theme]",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** That's the piano. Do you hear the piano? I bet you feel like you were watching the show. I know I do.\n\nAnyway, my email address is 9172148DAN@gmail.com. 9172148DAN@gmail.com. You can send me more emails. Clearly this guy said... what did he... got on the show. Sometimes it's just the way that she goes. Miss you, John. Merry Christmas.",
    "[sings]",
    "**Dan Rodandan:** Beware the sheriff, it'll fly in from outer space, shit on you and carry away to the big shit nest in the sky."
  ]
}